Dr. Breggin, it was eye opening to hear you mention the term “mass abuse” as the primer in this explosive alteration in our thinking since the advent of the pandemic. I have no background in psychology though I have an understanding of history and for the first time see how significant the term is. Somehow I have missed identifying myself as part of a mass believing myself to be an individual. I see Dr. Mark McDonald as a compassionate therapist who works to help the individual connect to others. I see you Dr. Peter as a compassionate therapist who works to lift people up to be independent individuals. Very interesting how these differences affect positive change. I can’t wait till you are liberated from the negativity and oppression that has been levied on you to censor and cancel you and Ginger. It IS the face of evil. You have not only endured the spiritual trial, you have endured it very well! It is clear that God is behind you and supporting your work. 🙏
I bought and read that book. Mark is a good writer. Though I think he has a paradoxical style, probably due to his work as a psychiatrists who tries to protect children from their parents (that's what I understand part of his job is.)
The point is that he tries to say very bold things (that is the correct tactic, I think) but he needs to present them in a way that is acceptable to parents who are confused about everything they are doing. This is not Tom Paine's "Common Sense," but a 21st century man trying to communicate with childish adults who are 99% closed to any outside information that may reveal their flaws. It is a difficult starting point!
Few people will dare to write a book starting from such horrible conditions. The alternative is impossible, which is the metaphorical ECT of confiscating all the smartphones of people, and their TV sets, so as to force them to snap out of the psychosis and realize what has been happening. The "pain" and the helplessness will not be smaller than that of the real ECT, but unlike evil ECT, this procedure of de-digitalizing adults may actually produce benefit. But it is impossible for now.
We have to emphasize that the digital conditions is a weapon of war used by the enemies of humanity. We should destroy that weapon or try to use it against the enemy. What Mark McDonald does in his book is one attempt at de-digitalizaing adults. I thank him for that.
I first learned about McDonald through Malone in a video of 2021. Then in the documentary "Terrain" by Cravat and Kaufman. I don't know yet if you guys (Ginger and Peter) dislike more Malone or Kaufman. Perhaps it is prudent that I never know. HAHA!
I don't think Mark is a stinking virus denialist like myself. I am being sarcastic against those people who pretend that opinions like mine are going to kill everyone. There is no possibility of that, regardless of the reality or falsity of SARS-CoV-2 or Germ Theory in general.
That lame defense of germ-theory is close to the form of the messaging of a moral panic. Fostering moral panics is ALWAYS WRONG. Nothing good can come from that.
The no-virus theory is what I believe now to be true. I just revised the evidence for everything else, and I stopped believing that. It was an arduous march for me. It is very difficult to stop believing in something you have believed all your life.
Vera Sharav says in her documentaries that it was a lie that the national-socialists invented that the Jews had to be rounded up because they were spreading disease. "IT'S AN EMERGENCY!!! LAWS DON'T APPLY!!!"
That the Jews don't spread disease is true from the terrain theory, which denies the possibility of infectious disease agents jumping from one human to another (or any non-human animal to another animal, including humans.) I don't think Vera is an "evil" germ-theory denialist either. It is not necessary to deny germ theory to explain the lies of the nazis. Germ-theory denialism is just sufficient, logically, to tell the truth about the general case that anti-human ideologies have harmed humanity for a long time with lies. And if germ theory happens to be true, that wouldn't validate those anti-human ideologies. So our differences are not about any of that.
But I comment all this because there is division among the people about this debate of terrain vs. germ theory. I don't think division is bad in this case. It is a normal consequence of people thinking. The anxiety over people dissenting is more problematic, because it reveals weakness that is being actively exploited by the enemy.
I think Peter is a very good political thinker, even if he is wrong about viruses. People on my side need to realize (those who don't understand this yet) that political debate is not about truth, but about winning power to survive. Since most people believe, without evidence, that germ theory is true, that is the default political position. To change that is extremely difficult. So most political tactics to survive and win the war will start from the default position.
The alternative to that is to pull a full Gandhi: a firm and consistent morality and logic based refusal to collaborate with the powerful enemies that want to subjugate us and steal from us and exterminate us. The politics of no-virus are a different attack. The majority of people cannot participate in this other form of intellectual warfare. It is a very difficult position.
But I want to point out that we are beneficial to each other. And the victories of one group benefit the other group, because we have the same enemy and the same purpose, even if some people don't want to admit that.
We have a large chunk of the conservatives against the enemy already. The minority groups (vegans, spiritualists, the Rudolph Steiner followers, the neo-luddites, the gnostics, the flat-earthers and many other very small groups) are also against the enemy, whether in the terrain side or in the germ side. We have to take some of the liberals and the progressives. These groups are important because of their numbers. They are the brawl, and the minority groups are, believe it or not, the brains.
(((The libertarians and the anarchists will be left out, as always, and reach reality much later. Some of them are now pretending to become right Hegelians just as a desperate tactic that will go nowhere, only because they don't want to touch the real issue of the Big Lie of the virus; they are completely misguided, but it is not important.)))
But the need to incorporate people of other political persuasions that are still mentally captured by the enemy is very important. This people need a place to go to when they discover the monstrosity they have been supporting. That is why this debate can be useful. Your side needs to grow, and you need better arguments, because what you have been saying until now has not worked as well as intended. Your side benefits strategically from the existence and the insistence of the no-virus discourse.
If I'm wrong, I want to know. But even if I'm wrong, I won't to go to war with the enemy of my enemy.
Hello Peter and Ginger, many thanks for this interview. I have reposted widely. I will follow up Dr McDonald’s book indeed. I was aware of it but had not fully explored it, and now have it via Scribd. This is a subject I’ve been vitally interested in for some time, even before the declaration of the pandemic. At around the same time Dr M published his book, after taking my cue from one of Jung’s earlier reflections on the “collective unconscious” where he talked about the “psychic dangers” of infected minds, I penned an extensive—albeit humble layman’s—essay on same. Below is the result; some readers may find of interest. Best, GM
——————
ICYMI 📝👉 Article: With a Lie this Large (The Psychic Dangers of Infected Minds), by Greg Maybury.
My feature length article on the Covid ‘scamdal’ from two years ago advanced the notion the real “virus” was of a different, less tangible, yet far more insidious kind. (NB.: The original version was penned a good six months before anyone had heard of the term “mass formation psychosis”.)
Since publishing it, our “minds” have become ever more infected, the lies larger, more frequent, contradictory, absurd, and seemingly enduring. And more widely and aggressively spread. With the truth becoming more distorted, fragmented, censored. As for the liars—none of whom have yet to be held accountable—they’re still gaily whistling past the graveyard.
What readers said about “With a Lie this Large (The Psychic Dangers of Infected Minds)”. Feel free to distribute and repost as you see fit. GM
——
👉 ‘Whew, just finished a first reading--there’ll be several more I'm sure. Beautifully written, [a] powerful piece...it's an important perspective that may shed some real light on how we need to proceed. i.e. [how we need] to break the Covidian trance. Thank you.’
👉 ‘Everything by this writer is worth reading, and this article in particular is one to be stashed and shared under "Must Read". Tear yourself away from arguing with someone about why or why not you'll get the "Vaccine"…and understand the deeply troubling ramifications of what this global emergency is about.’
👉 ‘Many thanks to you for sharing. You are an inspiration and a strength in a world made by a few, dull and weak (sic). I look forward to more of your great articles and stories. Hold your spirit strong ‘cause you are here on the right side of this great thing they call life. Your wisdom and words are much needed to awaken the dormants. Keep up your great work.’
👉 ‘I recommend this article [on transmarginal inhibition*] to understand why all this fear is being promoted. Pavlov did a considerable amount of work to understand this phenomena. Essentially, if the PTB can scare the crap out of you, then you can be made to believe the most implausible things.’
👉 ‘A really good read...I have read so much material that counters the current mainstream media regarding #COVID, I am seeing many of the tools used [by them] to get the counter argument across. I am now a firm believer that the world is currently being misled, [and] misinformed with selective information...But many counterarguments are falling short; this article managed to stay thought provoking all the way through without any sensationalism, and therefore sits alongside many of the great articles I have had the good fortune to read on this website. Genuine food for thought. Thank you.’
👉 ‘Greg, I wish I had your eloquence and gift for expressing yourself on so many topics, but alas, I don’t. Keep it up!’
👉 ‘Your essays are brilliantly informative and entertaining...don't change a thing...[For my part] I will continue to be obstinately objectionable and question EVERYTHING! AND you no doubt will continue researching and entertaining us with your wonderful essays.’
👉 ‘Thank you [Greg]. I found it a lucid and interesting article. It set me thinking on a couple of things.’ [*Ed. Note: 👍 One of the main points of the exercise I’d like to think🤔.]
👉 ‘Greg, congrats on your Covid essay, I think you’ve nailed this in that it has become a total psychological game where our so called leaders dance to the tune of a prescribed narrative, and pity anyone who dare speak of an alternative view. The real tragedy is that most support the fools they call leaders. Your essay could be well illustrated with an image of the Pied Piper...’
👉 ‘Hi Greg, You are one of the most creative writers that I know of. This important article uses your remarkable creativity to broadcast an important message that goes against the convention (sic) madness.’
👉 ‘[Hello Greg], thank you for your impressive and admirable work. Congrats! It is very valuable for me because I can use and reference it in conversations and correspondence.’
👉'Many thanks Greg, again you have demonstrated your unique ability to voice the truth and add graphics plus links which make it easy for your readers to research for themselves your thesis...I'm totally "on board" with your presentation and clarity.’
👉 ‘A REALLY GREAT COLLATION of fact and, hopefully, reconsideration, gratefully digested, Matey. May the harsh wind blow gently at your back! Enjoyed your elegant spiel.’
This is a wonderful interview--I have so much respect for you, Dr. Breggin, and was very impressed with Dr. McDonald. Thank you!
Yea, Dr. mark McDonald is a wise warrior. Thanks for sharing.
Dr. Breggin, it was eye opening to hear you mention the term “mass abuse” as the primer in this explosive alteration in our thinking since the advent of the pandemic. I have no background in psychology though I have an understanding of history and for the first time see how significant the term is. Somehow I have missed identifying myself as part of a mass believing myself to be an individual. I see Dr. Mark McDonald as a compassionate therapist who works to help the individual connect to others. I see you Dr. Peter as a compassionate therapist who works to lift people up to be independent individuals. Very interesting how these differences affect positive change. I can’t wait till you are liberated from the negativity and oppression that has been levied on you to censor and cancel you and Ginger. It IS the face of evil. You have not only endured the spiritual trial, you have endured it very well! It is clear that God is behind you and supporting your work. 🙏
I bought and read that book. Mark is a good writer. Though I think he has a paradoxical style, probably due to his work as a psychiatrists who tries to protect children from their parents (that's what I understand part of his job is.)
The point is that he tries to say very bold things (that is the correct tactic, I think) but he needs to present them in a way that is acceptable to parents who are confused about everything they are doing. This is not Tom Paine's "Common Sense," but a 21st century man trying to communicate with childish adults who are 99% closed to any outside information that may reveal their flaws. It is a difficult starting point!
Few people will dare to write a book starting from such horrible conditions. The alternative is impossible, which is the metaphorical ECT of confiscating all the smartphones of people, and their TV sets, so as to force them to snap out of the psychosis and realize what has been happening. The "pain" and the helplessness will not be smaller than that of the real ECT, but unlike evil ECT, this procedure of de-digitalizing adults may actually produce benefit. But it is impossible for now.
We have to emphasize that the digital conditions is a weapon of war used by the enemies of humanity. We should destroy that weapon or try to use it against the enemy. What Mark McDonald does in his book is one attempt at de-digitalizaing adults. I thank him for that.
I first learned about McDonald through Malone in a video of 2021. Then in the documentary "Terrain" by Cravat and Kaufman. I don't know yet if you guys (Ginger and Peter) dislike more Malone or Kaufman. Perhaps it is prudent that I never know. HAHA!
I don't think Mark is a stinking virus denialist like myself. I am being sarcastic against those people who pretend that opinions like mine are going to kill everyone. There is no possibility of that, regardless of the reality or falsity of SARS-CoV-2 or Germ Theory in general.
That lame defense of germ-theory is close to the form of the messaging of a moral panic. Fostering moral panics is ALWAYS WRONG. Nothing good can come from that.
The no-virus theory is what I believe now to be true. I just revised the evidence for everything else, and I stopped believing that. It was an arduous march for me. It is very difficult to stop believing in something you have believed all your life.
Vera Sharav says in her documentaries that it was a lie that the national-socialists invented that the Jews had to be rounded up because they were spreading disease. "IT'S AN EMERGENCY!!! LAWS DON'T APPLY!!!"
That the Jews don't spread disease is true from the terrain theory, which denies the possibility of infectious disease agents jumping from one human to another (or any non-human animal to another animal, including humans.) I don't think Vera is an "evil" germ-theory denialist either. It is not necessary to deny germ theory to explain the lies of the nazis. Germ-theory denialism is just sufficient, logically, to tell the truth about the general case that anti-human ideologies have harmed humanity for a long time with lies. And if germ theory happens to be true, that wouldn't validate those anti-human ideologies. So our differences are not about any of that.
But I comment all this because there is division among the people about this debate of terrain vs. germ theory. I don't think division is bad in this case. It is a normal consequence of people thinking. The anxiety over people dissenting is more problematic, because it reveals weakness that is being actively exploited by the enemy.
I think Peter is a very good political thinker, even if he is wrong about viruses. People on my side need to realize (those who don't understand this yet) that political debate is not about truth, but about winning power to survive. Since most people believe, without evidence, that germ theory is true, that is the default political position. To change that is extremely difficult. So most political tactics to survive and win the war will start from the default position.
The alternative to that is to pull a full Gandhi: a firm and consistent morality and logic based refusal to collaborate with the powerful enemies that want to subjugate us and steal from us and exterminate us. The politics of no-virus are a different attack. The majority of people cannot participate in this other form of intellectual warfare. It is a very difficult position.
But I want to point out that we are beneficial to each other. And the victories of one group benefit the other group, because we have the same enemy and the same purpose, even if some people don't want to admit that.
We have a large chunk of the conservatives against the enemy already. The minority groups (vegans, spiritualists, the Rudolph Steiner followers, the neo-luddites, the gnostics, the flat-earthers and many other very small groups) are also against the enemy, whether in the terrain side or in the germ side. We have to take some of the liberals and the progressives. These groups are important because of their numbers. They are the brawl, and the minority groups are, believe it or not, the brains.
(((The libertarians and the anarchists will be left out, as always, and reach reality much later. Some of them are now pretending to become right Hegelians just as a desperate tactic that will go nowhere, only because they don't want to touch the real issue of the Big Lie of the virus; they are completely misguided, but it is not important.)))
But the need to incorporate people of other political persuasions that are still mentally captured by the enemy is very important. This people need a place to go to when they discover the monstrosity they have been supporting. That is why this debate can be useful. Your side needs to grow, and you need better arguments, because what you have been saying until now has not worked as well as intended. Your side benefits strategically from the existence and the insistence of the no-virus discourse.
If I'm wrong, I want to know. But even if I'm wrong, I won't to go to war with the enemy of my enemy.
Anyway. Just some thoughts.
Hello Peter and Ginger, many thanks for this interview. I have reposted widely. I will follow up Dr McDonald’s book indeed. I was aware of it but had not fully explored it, and now have it via Scribd. This is a subject I’ve been vitally interested in for some time, even before the declaration of the pandemic. At around the same time Dr M published his book, after taking my cue from one of Jung’s earlier reflections on the “collective unconscious” where he talked about the “psychic dangers” of infected minds, I penned an extensive—albeit humble layman’s—essay on same. Below is the result; some readers may find of interest. Best, GM
——————
ICYMI 📝👉 Article: With a Lie this Large (The Psychic Dangers of Infected Minds), by Greg Maybury.
#Covid19 #Censorship #BillGates #Propaganda #RFKJr #ExperimentalVaccines #BigPharma #NewNormal #CorbettReport
My feature length article on the Covid ‘scamdal’ from two years ago advanced the notion the real “virus” was of a different, less tangible, yet far more insidious kind. (NB.: The original version was penned a good six months before anyone had heard of the term “mass formation psychosis”.)
Since publishing it, our “minds” have become ever more infected, the lies larger, more frequent, contradictory, absurd, and seemingly enduring. And more widely and aggressively spread. With the truth becoming more distorted, fragmented, censored. As for the liars—none of whom have yet to be held accountable—they’re still gaily whistling past the graveyard.
https://gregmaybury.substack.com/p/with-a-lie-this-large
What readers said about “With a Lie this Large (The Psychic Dangers of Infected Minds)”. Feel free to distribute and repost as you see fit. GM
——
👉 ‘Whew, just finished a first reading--there’ll be several more I'm sure. Beautifully written, [a] powerful piece...it's an important perspective that may shed some real light on how we need to proceed. i.e. [how we need] to break the Covidian trance. Thank you.’
👉 ‘Everything by this writer is worth reading, and this article in particular is one to be stashed and shared under "Must Read". Tear yourself away from arguing with someone about why or why not you'll get the "Vaccine"…and understand the deeply troubling ramifications of what this global emergency is about.’
👉 ‘Many thanks to you for sharing. You are an inspiration and a strength in a world made by a few, dull and weak (sic). I look forward to more of your great articles and stories. Hold your spirit strong ‘cause you are here on the right side of this great thing they call life. Your wisdom and words are much needed to awaken the dormants. Keep up your great work.’
👉 ‘I recommend this article [on transmarginal inhibition*] to understand why all this fear is being promoted. Pavlov did a considerable amount of work to understand this phenomena. Essentially, if the PTB can scare the crap out of you, then you can be made to believe the most implausible things.’
👉 ‘A really good read...I have read so much material that counters the current mainstream media regarding #COVID, I am seeing many of the tools used [by them] to get the counter argument across. I am now a firm believer that the world is currently being misled, [and] misinformed with selective information...But many counterarguments are falling short; this article managed to stay thought provoking all the way through without any sensationalism, and therefore sits alongside many of the great articles I have had the good fortune to read on this website. Genuine food for thought. Thank you.’
👉 ‘Greg, I wish I had your eloquence and gift for expressing yourself on so many topics, but alas, I don’t. Keep it up!’
👉 ‘Your essays are brilliantly informative and entertaining...don't change a thing...[For my part] I will continue to be obstinately objectionable and question EVERYTHING! AND you no doubt will continue researching and entertaining us with your wonderful essays.’
👉 ‘Thank you [Greg]. I found it a lucid and interesting article. It set me thinking on a couple of things.’ [*Ed. Note: 👍 One of the main points of the exercise I’d like to think🤔.]
👉 ‘Greg, congrats on your Covid essay, I think you’ve nailed this in that it has become a total psychological game where our so called leaders dance to the tune of a prescribed narrative, and pity anyone who dare speak of an alternative view. The real tragedy is that most support the fools they call leaders. Your essay could be well illustrated with an image of the Pied Piper...’
👉 ‘Hi Greg, You are one of the most creative writers that I know of. This important article uses your remarkable creativity to broadcast an important message that goes against the convention (sic) madness.’
👉 ‘[Hello Greg], thank you for your impressive and admirable work. Congrats! It is very valuable for me because I can use and reference it in conversations and correspondence.’
👉'Many thanks Greg, again you have demonstrated your unique ability to voice the truth and add graphics plus links which make it easy for your readers to research for themselves your thesis...I'm totally "on board" with your presentation and clarity.’
👉 ‘A REALLY GREAT COLLATION of fact and, hopefully, reconsideration, gratefully digested, Matey. May the harsh wind blow gently at your back! Enjoyed your elegant spiel.’