The VA protocol is to prescribe anti-depressants to treat PTSD. Has anyone made a connection between the VA treatment and the abnormally high rate of veteran suicides? They ignore nutrient deficiencies including Vit D that help reverse the issue. Know Vets who had to go outside the system to be weaned off the drugs!
Well chronicled by “a midwestern doctor” in their Substack “the forgotten side of medicine”.
Thanks Dr. Breggin for this article. Clarifies some things for me. I’m glad you are doing better. I assume you believe that COVID itself is an intentionally released bioweapon.
I have also suffered from brain fog at some very inopportune times. It’s a scary thing. It does not compare however with the mental and spiritual torture that you describe here.
I'm watching some former Marines get treated for PTSD. It doesn't stop with anti-psychotics and the benzos, they also are given medication to treat the side effects of those drugs. For example, the Risperdal makes them binge sugar, they become obese, have "high" cholesterol, and get statins added to the mix. Then they also get (high-end) CPAP machines, Viagra, and goodness knows what else.
It's not a good way to live, and they are all still suffering.
Harvey Diamond of Fit for Life fame was one of the last survivors of Agent Orange poisoning because of how he ate and took care of himself. Read the books at least 3-4 of them all available on thriftbooks.com. They are great and worth reading 40 years after being written.
In November 2019, I wrote Dr. Barbara Van Dahlen Director of Prevents Program who was commissioned to find answers to veterans' suicides. Never got a response and I have no clue what her final report produced to improve medical treatment for veterans. They went around the US with public meetings for input. They certainly do not test for Vitamin D deficiencies. Need a diagnostic code first. Backward thinking to keep the status quo!
Isn’t it interesting that the doctor fled to New Zealand which is the only other country in the world that allows prescription drugs to be advertised directly to the consumer? You don’t think big Pharma facilitated his disappearance from the United States.?
was prescribed lexipro or something similar to it many years ago. I took maybe two or three doses and got uneasy about continuing. I stopped. But just those few days permanantly damaged my brain chemistry - I never felt the same again. For one thing I had a very rich dream life that was immediately shut off, my connection never to be fully restored. I have come to realize the poisoning I experienced was a deliberate, very successful attack on my spiritual connection. If only I had known the potential risks, I would NEVER have taken the "medicine".
Thank you for sharing this. I was prescribed prozac after a very brief meeting with a psychiatrist (many many years ago). I tried it briefly but my body said no and so I just stopped.
I was dealing with severe ptsd that had been exacerbated by cruelty in the present day. (seems to be an endless ongoing theme!)
Now I don't see md's or use drugs of any sort ever and am outside any so called system's of health.
If I become severely cleaved (dissociated) from myself I have been successful in finding trauma informed hotlines (usually some kind of abuse hotline) to help me regulate and climb back into my body.
Although the cruelty of man feels very amped up to me right now and the understanding of trauma very thin by most in my experience.
I knew a man who was institutionalized as a teenager and put on lithium. The experience in the institution traumatized him deeply. He also spoke of not dreaming.
I came across another man on a feed who had recently taken himself off psych meds. Said he knew the warnings and practiced a certain detachment with suicidal thoughts that came up.
What a shit show all this is. Every little in and out.
But most crushing, I think, is the way 'our society' does not hold space for those who need space held. As if somehow a certain contagion exists, when in reality there is a simplicity to what is needed. But most do not understand.
Thanks both of you for this chilling testimony; sorry for your suffering. Scary as hell that just 3 doses could cause such a permanent negative effect.
Oct 16, 2023·edited Oct 16, 2023Liked by Dr. Peter and Ginger Breggin
a friend of mine was on SSRI med and she wanted to get off of it because it made her feel suicidal and she asked the doctor to help her do this (during the “lockdowns”.) the doctor’s assistant called her back and left a message that the doctor didn’t think the dr-patient relationship was “a good fit” and dropped her. she weaned herself off the medication by herself.
I thought it was an FLCCC option after they noticed that hospitalized Covid patients on fluvoxamine had better outcomes. I read your article just now and concur that it is way too dangerous to use for any purpose. The Eric Harris story I knew no specifics about until reading this, either.
This is a beautiful article. . . a classic. Everyone should know what Dr. Breggin presents here so they can counter man’s-brutality-towards-man when it comes to their own family, friends and relatives. When it comes to the psychiatric part I can list several family, friends and acquaintances over the years who have been subject to psychiatric abuse. Some examples: In 1968 I worked at a summer camp for teenage boys who otherwise lived in a foster care home in Brooklyn. A handful of them had to come in for their dose of pink liquid every day. This was lithium (or stelazine) and I thought, “okay, they are now better behaved,” when they were really being given a “chemical lobotomy.” Then there was my mother who got insulin shock after she signed herself into a swanky psychiatric hospital. All the while I stood by unknowingly while I believed “the doctors” knew best. She laid there behind a huge, locked, metal door and I didn’t know enough to help her. She couldn’t find her way around the roads for two years after that. My beautiful and brilliant 16 year old cousin was electroshocked so many times she was never the same again. Then there was my veteran-nephew who killed himself while on psych drugs, all the while his mother saying how he needed the drugs.
Dr. Breggin looked psychiatric atrocities in the eye and knew what he saw. He also saw other wonderful observations about the state of man. All that said, remember what Dr. Breggin is talking about here: The Elite Strategy to Physically Ruin Our Brains, Minds, and Willpower.
This is the most important and profound piece that I’ve ever read. Thank you Dr. Breggin. God bless you for all you’ve done for humanity and God help all of us.
Dr. Peter and Ginger Breggin This is such good information! I would like to have one done on how to recover from being on all the antidepressants. Also, what other therapies are there to help.
Thank you for this article. I was treated for depression and PTSD (they called Acute Schizophrenia Break) for 35 years up through 2015 and have been treated to the drug of the month club for quite some time with most being what I considered bad and most just plain evil. The diagnosis of medicine has gone downhill as fast as a rolling stone down a steep mountain. I finally got a Dr. that would listen which is very rare in any medical field for the last 30 years and he found that I am indeed petty Mal epileptic. There is a problem with this in that I had to read the PDR and found out all major tranquilizers and other medications lower the seizure threshold and taking the medications from Doctors early on was a catastrophe. I have a spread sheet which is 110 columns of different drugs and also drugs to eliminate side effects which again needed more drugs and the preposterous concept of being a Doctor has now been lost to me as I find that very few know much with specialization causing narrow mindedness as these people get smarter about an ever narrowing specialty until they know everything about nothing.
This is when I finally started to get better after 4 years of 2-4hrs of sleep and working at the same time. I never quit my job although I moved from the midwest to East Phoenix for a better environment and found that there are big differences from city to city. My mind was put on Puree essentially and became much worse.
Finally I was off of medication in 2015 and then the medical Dr gave me for my checkup Prevnar 13 which is associated with Guillain Barre Syndrome which I got and stacked with Diphtheria Tetanus Purtusis (first from Pfizer with no warnings but there are now and the second warning from SofiPasteur that this vaccine would drastically intensify GBS). I am now near the end with Hyper Acute GBS which causes debilitation of the some or all of the GI brain segments (Cleveland Clinic found that the GI system has it's own brain and also, from an Analyst point of view, swallowing is an event and not an autonomic act so people have the upper esophogeal sphincter that opens every time a breath is taken because control from the GI brain is no longer possible from the extensive damage done by the extreme version of Hyper Acute GBS which also gave me a stroke but I never had any stroke systems as it debilitates parts of the brain and heavy damage to the limbic system.
It turns out that there is no such thing as Virus as the Virome and the Protein Chain are Enzymes and part of the immune system releasing 80-100 trillion of them every day to clean up 70-80 billion dead cells a day which is normal. AIDS was developed by Cancer Research at UCLA (Keri Mullis researched this and also found out there is no such thing as HIV but is part of the vaccine). The testing was for cancer and found out that nagalese is created by cancer cells which eliminate D3 and eliminates the ability of gc protein to join with a Macrophage which is the most powerful (even more than white cells by a significant margin) immune set in the human body making it available for the rest of what is in those shots. COVID-19 (Certification of Vaccination ID) is SARS-CORONA-2 and is nothing more than the flu and gain of function is a fraud as stated in the document stating what it is made up of but not isolated.
The same can be said for most medications of psychiatry as lithium eliminates the ability for the Thyroid to function correctly and deteriorates organ function over time so it is a slow motion killer. Many with chemicals that were used as neurotoxin poisons for bug control in the late 1800s and early 1900s are now in pills. Floride is the best example and was spread around doorways and some windows. Aluminum is an extremely toxic neurotoxin used in shots and medication to increase the already normal levels of antibodies and the advertisements show them to be nothing like what they really are. Necroscopy has shown through electron microscopy the protein chain and that a spike protein which is the dead tissue waiting for the immune system to "consume" and excrete it has no spikes or corona and is not round but oblong with no symmetry so the fabrications on video are complete fraudulent images made up in the minds of an artist. Antibodies are like a net that encloses the cell parts to be excreted (sweat, sneeze, runny nose, unrinate, deficate and even the eyes and ears eliminate them). This is the garbage and synthetic pathogens, aborted fetus cells ... which are all used in medication for psychiatric drugs as well as other forms of helping kill us. Once Aluminum is in the brain is never leaves ever, and thermisol or Marisol (Mercury) just compounds the situation and when a shot is given for Psychiatric purposes, it has many of the characteristics of any other and none of it is good. For those of us that are traumatized severely, it becomes as if we are guinea pigs at the disposal of a part of science that is mostly fraudulent at best and a eugenics tool as I see Cold Spring Harbor and Hastings Institute at Universities from Stanford to Yale and over seas to the UK where Eugenics was born.
Thank you Dr. Breggin and Ginger. I have already described my own personal experience at the hands of NHS psychiatrists in 1990 after a yachting accident in September 1990 in another thread.
I was diagnosed manic depressive in November 1990, hospitalised and only 'escaped' two weeks later after a skipper friend extracted me under the cover of darkness when the medics were preparing to 'section me'. This was in Bath, Somerset, the Lansdowne psychiatric ward.
I spent five years on Lithium but I won't go into the details. I kicked it in 1995 so I do have a storey to tell. It was only when i read your wonderful book in 2021 that I realised Risperdal was equally toxic as Lithium. I kicked it immediately and I am now back to my normal 'mad' self.
Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom which actually saved my life.
Super important words, I am grateful to you both for sharing this extremely valuable article. In my area we are dealing with so many homeless people, I can now see this is clearly a product management of mental ill patients over all these years & wrong doing, alcohol, street drugs, AND legal prescription drugs from doctors, SO very EYE opening! Thank you for these insights. I have been a big fan since I watched Dr. Breggin's presentations in The Minds of Men documentary https://vimeo.com/ondemand/themindsofmen, excellent!
Here is a scientific book chapter Dr. Breggin wrote in 2014 on Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI), PTSD, and psychiatric drugs causing aberant behavior
https://breggin.com/admin/fm/source/6905_breggin/uploads/2014/05/Breggin_TBI_PTSD_PsychiatricDrugs.pdf
Plus a column Dr. Breggin wrote in 2009
https://breggin.com/article-detail/post_detail/antidepressants-cause-suicide-and-violence-in-soldiers
The VA protocol is to prescribe anti-depressants to treat PTSD. Has anyone made a connection between the VA treatment and the abnormally high rate of veteran suicides? They ignore nutrient deficiencies including Vit D that help reverse the issue. Know Vets who had to go outside the system to be weaned off the drugs!
How about all the mass shootings/school shootings/ shooting-suicides and SSRIs
Seems to be a lot of smoke, there may be many fires.
Spot on! Media won’t touch the issue!
Well chronicled by “a midwestern doctor” in their Substack “the forgotten side of medicine”.
Thanks Dr. Breggin for this article. Clarifies some things for me. I’m glad you are doing better. I assume you believe that COVID itself is an intentionally released bioweapon.
I have also suffered from brain fog at some very inopportune times. It’s a scary thing. It does not compare however with the mental and spiritual torture that you describe here.
We are being hammered in many ways
Airwaves
Media
Food
Water
Schooling
Freedom of movement, speech
Medicine
Need many parallel systems
I'm watching some former Marines get treated for PTSD. It doesn't stop with anti-psychotics and the benzos, they also are given medication to treat the side effects of those drugs. For example, the Risperdal makes them binge sugar, they become obese, have "high" cholesterol, and get statins added to the mix. Then they also get (high-end) CPAP machines, Viagra, and goodness knows what else.
It's not a good way to live, and they are all still suffering.
Here are a couple of articles by Dr. Breggin about the plight of the veterans placed on psychiatric drugs. ~ Ginger
https://breggin.com/article-detail/post_detail/antidepressants-cause-suicide-and-violence-in-soldiers
https://breggin.com/admin/fm/source/6905_breggin/uploads/2014/05/Breggin_TBI_PTSD_PsychiatricDrugs.pdf
Grows the profitable medical business that is about 20% o GDP!
Harvey Diamond of Fit for Life fame was one of the last survivors of Agent Orange poisoning because of how he ate and took care of himself. Read the books at least 3-4 of them all available on thriftbooks.com. They are great and worth reading 40 years after being written.
My husband was one - went outside VA to rid his body of these toxic chemicals!
In November 2019, I wrote Dr. Barbara Van Dahlen Director of Prevents Program who was commissioned to find answers to veterans' suicides. Never got a response and I have no clue what her final report produced to improve medical treatment for veterans. They went around the US with public meetings for input. They certainly do not test for Vitamin D deficiencies. Need a diagnostic code first. Backward thinking to keep the status quo!
It’s a Useless Eater management program instead?
The elderly on SS and disabled on SSD, the Veterans, etc. All costly, no ROI and no chance of kickbacks like when spending our taxes in overseas wars.
Veterans should *always* go outside the VA system for any kind of treatment if they don’t want to be treated as lab rats.
RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!! They’re sitting ducks for big Harma!
Isn’t it interesting that the doctor fled to New Zealand which is the only other country in the world that allows prescription drugs to be advertised directly to the consumer? You don’t think big Pharma facilitated his disappearance from the United States.?
I don't know -- interesting hypothesis! Ginger
was prescribed lexipro or something similar to it many years ago. I took maybe two or three doses and got uneasy about continuing. I stopped. But just those few days permanantly damaged my brain chemistry - I never felt the same again. For one thing I had a very rich dream life that was immediately shut off, my connection never to be fully restored. I have come to realize the poisoning I experienced was a deliberate, very successful attack on my spiritual connection. If only I had known the potential risks, I would NEVER have taken the "medicine".
Thank you for sharing this. I was prescribed prozac after a very brief meeting with a psychiatrist (many many years ago). I tried it briefly but my body said no and so I just stopped.
I was dealing with severe ptsd that had been exacerbated by cruelty in the present day. (seems to be an endless ongoing theme!)
Now I don't see md's or use drugs of any sort ever and am outside any so called system's of health.
If I become severely cleaved (dissociated) from myself I have been successful in finding trauma informed hotlines (usually some kind of abuse hotline) to help me regulate and climb back into my body.
Although the cruelty of man feels very amped up to me right now and the understanding of trauma very thin by most in my experience.
I knew a man who was institutionalized as a teenager and put on lithium. The experience in the institution traumatized him deeply. He also spoke of not dreaming.
I came across another man on a feed who had recently taken himself off psych meds. Said he knew the warnings and practiced a certain detachment with suicidal thoughts that came up.
What a shit show all this is. Every little in and out.
But most crushing, I think, is the way 'our society' does not hold space for those who need space held. As if somehow a certain contagion exists, when in reality there is a simplicity to what is needed. But most do not understand.
Thanks both of you for this chilling testimony; sorry for your suffering. Scary as hell that just 3 doses could cause such a permanent negative effect.
Drugs are terrifying.
And thank you ❤️
Thank you so much! Ginger and Peter
a friend of mine was on SSRI med and she wanted to get off of it because it made her feel suicidal and she asked the doctor to help her do this (during the “lockdowns”.) the doctor’s assistant called her back and left a message that the doctor didn’t think the dr-patient relationship was “a good fit” and dropped her. she weaned herself off the medication by herself.
What was the name of that suicide-inducing drug that Steve Kirsch and Francis Collins were pushing?
Earlier article Dr Breggin wrote
https://www.americaoutloud.news/luvox-fluvoxamine-too-dangerous-to-treat-covid/
We agree fully Tom— see Dr Breggins earlier column
https://www.americaoutloud.news/luvox-fluvoxamine-too-dangerous-to-treat-covid/
I thought it was an FLCCC option after they noticed that hospitalized Covid patients on fluvoxamine had better outcomes. I read your article just now and concur that it is way too dangerous to use for any purpose. The Eric Harris story I knew no specifics about until reading this, either.
It’s so sad that it took a death to win a malpractice case against a psychiatrist.
What to say about all non psychiatrists « doctors » who prescribe these drugs like candies even to children?
This is a beautiful article. . . a classic. Everyone should know what Dr. Breggin presents here so they can counter man’s-brutality-towards-man when it comes to their own family, friends and relatives. When it comes to the psychiatric part I can list several family, friends and acquaintances over the years who have been subject to psychiatric abuse. Some examples: In 1968 I worked at a summer camp for teenage boys who otherwise lived in a foster care home in Brooklyn. A handful of them had to come in for their dose of pink liquid every day. This was lithium (or stelazine) and I thought, “okay, they are now better behaved,” when they were really being given a “chemical lobotomy.” Then there was my mother who got insulin shock after she signed herself into a swanky psychiatric hospital. All the while I stood by unknowingly while I believed “the doctors” knew best. She laid there behind a huge, locked, metal door and I didn’t know enough to help her. She couldn’t find her way around the roads for two years after that. My beautiful and brilliant 16 year old cousin was electroshocked so many times she was never the same again. Then there was my veteran-nephew who killed himself while on psych drugs, all the while his mother saying how he needed the drugs.
Dr. Breggin looked psychiatric atrocities in the eye and knew what he saw. He also saw other wonderful observations about the state of man. All that said, remember what Dr. Breggin is talking about here: The Elite Strategy to Physically Ruin Our Brains, Minds, and Willpower.
Kathy Ginger here~ I am so sorry about all the trauma your family has been through!
This is THE BEST article I’ve seen on this topic and I’m profoundly grateful for it.
My gut has relaxed as now when a friend or family member wants to know why I never got vaccinated I can refer them to this.
But most of all, I feel validated.
It describes much of my own and my family’s history going back 60 years.
Psychiatric drugs ruined the lives of my grandmother, sister, and potentially myself.
I do relate to the comment about some strong willed people surviving.
But the horror still haunts me, most of all knowing what is happening to others and watching friends affected by psyche meds and vaccines.
I never talk much about any of this
as I make no difference, which is the point so powerfully made within this article.
You two Breggins are heaven sent.
(I’ve been able to believe once more in heaven the last twenty plus years because I got over the Paxil attack :0).
Love to all.
Thank you Rachel for your comments and story~ Ginger
A poem shared on survivingantidepressants.org
~ Yesterday, the Devil whispered in my ear "You're not strong enough to survive The Storm!"
~ Today, I whispered in the Devil's ear "I Am The Storm!"
by an anonymous SSRI/Psych drugs protracted withdrawal SURVIVOR.
Thank You Dr. Breggin ~ You've truly helped Alot of people.
😍🔥💞
This is the most important and profound piece that I’ve ever read. Thank you Dr. Breggin. God bless you for all you’ve done for humanity and God help all of us.
Dr. Peter and Ginger Breggin This is such good information! I would like to have one done on how to recover from being on all the antidepressants. Also, what other therapies are there to help.
Thank you so much!
Thank you for this article. I was treated for depression and PTSD (they called Acute Schizophrenia Break) for 35 years up through 2015 and have been treated to the drug of the month club for quite some time with most being what I considered bad and most just plain evil. The diagnosis of medicine has gone downhill as fast as a rolling stone down a steep mountain. I finally got a Dr. that would listen which is very rare in any medical field for the last 30 years and he found that I am indeed petty Mal epileptic. There is a problem with this in that I had to read the PDR and found out all major tranquilizers and other medications lower the seizure threshold and taking the medications from Doctors early on was a catastrophe. I have a spread sheet which is 110 columns of different drugs and also drugs to eliminate side effects which again needed more drugs and the preposterous concept of being a Doctor has now been lost to me as I find that very few know much with specialization causing narrow mindedness as these people get smarter about an ever narrowing specialty until they know everything about nothing.
This is when I finally started to get better after 4 years of 2-4hrs of sleep and working at the same time. I never quit my job although I moved from the midwest to East Phoenix for a better environment and found that there are big differences from city to city. My mind was put on Puree essentially and became much worse.
Finally I was off of medication in 2015 and then the medical Dr gave me for my checkup Prevnar 13 which is associated with Guillain Barre Syndrome which I got and stacked with Diphtheria Tetanus Purtusis (first from Pfizer with no warnings but there are now and the second warning from SofiPasteur that this vaccine would drastically intensify GBS). I am now near the end with Hyper Acute GBS which causes debilitation of the some or all of the GI brain segments (Cleveland Clinic found that the GI system has it's own brain and also, from an Analyst point of view, swallowing is an event and not an autonomic act so people have the upper esophogeal sphincter that opens every time a breath is taken because control from the GI brain is no longer possible from the extensive damage done by the extreme version of Hyper Acute GBS which also gave me a stroke but I never had any stroke systems as it debilitates parts of the brain and heavy damage to the limbic system.
It turns out that there is no such thing as Virus as the Virome and the Protein Chain are Enzymes and part of the immune system releasing 80-100 trillion of them every day to clean up 70-80 billion dead cells a day which is normal. AIDS was developed by Cancer Research at UCLA (Keri Mullis researched this and also found out there is no such thing as HIV but is part of the vaccine). The testing was for cancer and found out that nagalese is created by cancer cells which eliminate D3 and eliminates the ability of gc protein to join with a Macrophage which is the most powerful (even more than white cells by a significant margin) immune set in the human body making it available for the rest of what is in those shots. COVID-19 (Certification of Vaccination ID) is SARS-CORONA-2 and is nothing more than the flu and gain of function is a fraud as stated in the document stating what it is made up of but not isolated.
The same can be said for most medications of psychiatry as lithium eliminates the ability for the Thyroid to function correctly and deteriorates organ function over time so it is a slow motion killer. Many with chemicals that were used as neurotoxin poisons for bug control in the late 1800s and early 1900s are now in pills. Floride is the best example and was spread around doorways and some windows. Aluminum is an extremely toxic neurotoxin used in shots and medication to increase the already normal levels of antibodies and the advertisements show them to be nothing like what they really are. Necroscopy has shown through electron microscopy the protein chain and that a spike protein which is the dead tissue waiting for the immune system to "consume" and excrete it has no spikes or corona and is not round but oblong with no symmetry so the fabrications on video are complete fraudulent images made up in the minds of an artist. Antibodies are like a net that encloses the cell parts to be excreted (sweat, sneeze, runny nose, unrinate, deficate and even the eyes and ears eliminate them). This is the garbage and synthetic pathogens, aborted fetus cells ... which are all used in medication for psychiatric drugs as well as other forms of helping kill us. Once Aluminum is in the brain is never leaves ever, and thermisol or Marisol (Mercury) just compounds the situation and when a shot is given for Psychiatric purposes, it has many of the characteristics of any other and none of it is good. For those of us that are traumatized severely, it becomes as if we are guinea pigs at the disposal of a part of science that is mostly fraudulent at best and a eugenics tool as I see Cold Spring Harbor and Hastings Institute at Universities from Stanford to Yale and over seas to the UK where Eugenics was born.
Thank you Dr. Breggin and Ginger. I have already described my own personal experience at the hands of NHS psychiatrists in 1990 after a yachting accident in September 1990 in another thread.
I was diagnosed manic depressive in November 1990, hospitalised and only 'escaped' two weeks later after a skipper friend extracted me under the cover of darkness when the medics were preparing to 'section me'. This was in Bath, Somerset, the Lansdowne psychiatric ward.
I spent five years on Lithium but I won't go into the details. I kicked it in 1995 so I do have a storey to tell. It was only when i read your wonderful book in 2021 that I realised Risperdal was equally toxic as Lithium. I kicked it immediately and I am now back to my normal 'mad' self.
Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom which actually saved my life.
Blessings
AP
Wishing you continued healing!
Super important words, I am grateful to you both for sharing this extremely valuable article. In my area we are dealing with so many homeless people, I can now see this is clearly a product management of mental ill patients over all these years & wrong doing, alcohol, street drugs, AND legal prescription drugs from doctors, SO very EYE opening! Thank you for these insights. I have been a big fan since I watched Dr. Breggin's presentations in The Minds of Men documentary https://vimeo.com/ondemand/themindsofmen, excellent!
One of the most important documentaries ever! Really helps to explain how we ended up having COVID totalitarianism
The Breggins are heroes. This is a GREAT and EXTREMELY USEFUL article. Thank you!
Thank you so much! Ginger and Peter